[Gajim-devel] Fwd: UPDATE: net/gajim to 0.12 and drop maintainership

Yann Leboulanger asterix at lagaule.org
Sun Dec 21 12:36:20 CET 2008

Jonathan Schleifer wrote:
> Am 21.12.2008 um 12:07 schrieb Yann Leboulanger:
>> You think more people are affected by this 30s timeout than by
>> filetranfer? Really? I think more people use FT than are on a slow
>> connection.
> Yes, definitely. You don't send files all the time. Besides, which
> problem with file transfers? I haven't seen any yet. Everybody could
> send me files and receive them so far.

I think you should read ticket, and test 0.12 branch. There is a missing
import so sending file is just not possible.

> And please, stop saying that only a few people are affected by this and
> only those with a slow connection, because it's just not true. I got
> people with 16 MBit connection in my roster who get disconnected all the
> time etc. And half of those who updated to 0.12 have already complained
> to me, and all I could tell them was that it's not my fault and I was
> against relasing it like that.

I say that because I got just 0 complaint for this problem except from
you, no ticket, nothing in private mail, nothing in room (though I'm not
always in front of my computer), and because svn is tested by a lot of
users and none complain since it's implemented (11 monthes).
I'm not saying we should not improve that, just that more people use
filetransfer (already 3 tickets open for that in 2 days)

>> And I don't see the problem to release 0.12.1 now and 0.12.2 as soon as
>> all those things are implemented and tested, which is not likely to
>> happen before some weeks.
> "Hmm, I get disconnected all the time, maybe I should update to 0.12.1.
> No, doesn't seem to fix it. Seems like they can't get it fixed in the
> near future, so I'll change the client."
> I already was asked "How could you release a 0.12 like that? And how can
> I be sure that 0.12.1 will not introduce other, even nastier bugs? I
> think I'm going to change the client". If we release a 0.12.1 that still
> has the bug, we lose the users' trust. Our 0.12.1 must be rock-solid,
> otherwise we'll use many users, I fear. We already lost enough users, I
> think (I know of some who didn't want to go back to 0.11.4 and for which
> disconnects were so unacceptable that they changed to Psi).

My goal is not to have as much user as possible, but to have as much
happy user as possible, and fixing filetransfer will make them more
happy than if I say : "no no wait some weeks, we have another bug and we
cannot release before it's fixed".


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